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sightedness of it gets us in more trouble than anything else. pertaining to pakistan, having grown up there in the earlier years of my life, and it cannot tell you the immense good will that was there for the americans in the 1980's when we were fighting the soviets and freedom fighters of that time. the day the soviets left, the very next day everyone packed up their bags and left. that region was left with the master deal with on its own. come 9/11, all of a sudden they want that place to be fixed. well, no one was there for 13-14 years. we need to have a longer-term view. if we do not do that, there is no way we can solve our problems. thank you and i will listen offline. host: that may be a way to look at the broader question before we wrap up, but the remainder of the middle east long term. guest: this gets to the issue we spoke about earlier about whether the u.s. is going to support the democratic process in the future. i think the caller is right certainly in the case of pakistan and afghanistan. the united states lost sight of the importance of the region after the soviet the
elections in 2004. al qaeda was dismantled and settled in waziristan and pakistan. this is not a nation-building exercise. this encounter terror exercise. we do not need 100,000 troops on the ground at the cost we are paying today in order to get the job done. [applause] and i am here to tell you that the future of the u.s. is not going to be determined in the prairies of afghanistan. the future of the u.s., whether you want to recognize it or not, is going to be determined by how well prepared we are to compete in a highly competitive 20th -- 20 per century, and that battle is going to be waged across the -- 21st century, and that battle is going to be waged across the ocean. as you walk off of this building, i want you to remember why we are in this race. it is about the generation behind us and the condition they will find our nation in. it is totally unsustainable, the debt trajectory that we are on. and number two, the reality of launching a new industrial revolution, it is within our grasp. it has happened before in our nation's history. problem-solving people can do it again. we
anyone who wants to own what i own. we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, kari becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the int still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control th
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